Beau Friedlander:
Adam! (singing) I love you. Marry me. No. Travis?
Travis Taylor:
No way I’m topping that one.
Beau Friedlander:
Okay. Did you see that there was a warning that the Dominion machines were vulnerable to being hacked?
Speaker 4:
However, a new report by the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency is highlighting some vulnerabilities with voting equipment.
Danny:
Megan, to be clear, there is no evidence that the systems we’re tampered with, right?
Megan:
That’s correct, Danny. The report simply determined that vulnerabilities with Dominion Voting Systems do exist.
Beau Friedlander:
All the states’ secretaries of state were informed and Dominion replied, “Hey, Hey, Hey, it’s all good. There’s no vulnerabilities.” Where have we heard that before?
Adam Levin:
In the run up to the 2016 elections?
Beau Friedlander:
Yeah. Also it was just a major plot point in Ozark.
Speaker 7:
Money is at its essence that measure of a man’s choices.
Beau Friedlander:
There is that crooked politician who is trying to influence, peddle at the price of having some machines be compromised.
Travis Taylor:
I think they said that before the Titanic embarked as well.
Beau Friedlander:
Yeah, that’s the fear right there.
Travis Taylor:
A federal review found that there were vulnerabilities in Dominion voting machines, but they found no record of vote tampering.
Beau Friedlander:
Habeas corpus. That doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. It just means they haven’t found it.
Travis Taylor:
Right.
Adam Levin:
Well, we also know from our good friend, Harri Hursti, who is one of the top election experts, hacking experts in the world, that-
Beau Friedlander:
He hacked the Diebold machine in under a minute or something, right?
Adam Levin:
Very quickly, very quickly. There’s no question that these machines can be vulnerable. We also know that there was an enormous effort made on behalf of state and local authorities during the 2020 elections to make sure that these machines and their software were as safe as possible, and we didn’t see any real evidence that there was any hacking of these machines. I think certainly 60 courts plus attorneys general plus the attorney general for the former president of the United States also said that they didn’t see the problems in this course. Now you have the conspiracy theory movies coming out about vote mules and things like that. But anything can be vulnerable. That’s the problem.
Travis Taylor:
I think one of the main things here in Oregon, where I live, is that we have universal vote by mail. Even if you don’t get around to mailing it out in time, you can drop off your ballot at a library or several public drop off sites. They’ve gone over this time and time again and still have found no evidence of voting fraud. So I guess one of the main questions I have is why we need to be bothering with these expensive and technologically vulnerable machines.
Beau Friedlander:
There’s no reason to have machines when we know for a fact that paper ballots are more secure. They’re a physical thing. They can be secured. They’re a physical thing that can be secured. The very nature of a voting machine that’s digital, it can’t be secured, and it certainly can be hacked.
Adam Levin:
Well, I think that you have to have a paper trail. Without question, there has to be a paper ballot with backing up-
Beau Friedlander:
With the digital vote.
Adam Levin:
With the digital vote, yeah. That there are very few states now, but there are some, that have purely digital voting with no paper backup. I think that is extremely dangerous, and it is open to various interpretations. Then it’s open to those people who would claim that someone who did win the election didn’t win the election. So it’s always important to have paper backup. In the last election, counties in Texas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, and New Jersey are still using paperless machines.
Beau Friedlander:
That’s nuts. How do you feel..? Well, Adam, all right, fine. You seem like you’re not so freaked out about it. You freaked out about that?
Adam Levin:
Oh, no. I’ve always felt that there should be a paper backup to the machine without question. Now, Texas is the state, interestingly enough, that has the most paperless equipment.
Beau Friedlander:
Makes sense.
Adam Levin:
In Texas, paperless equipment probably represent a third of the total voters in the state.
Beau Friedlander:
Makes total sense. They’re also very much in the business, I don’t think this is actionable, of disenfranchising voters. That’s one of the states that come up when people talk about strategies to keep Democrats out of the polls.
Adam Levin:
Well, we do know that there was an order issued by the governor in 2020 to take all but one drop box out of the most populous county in the state, which was disturbing. It was overthrown by a court.
Beau Friedlander:
Well, then there was the whole post office thing. I’m sorry, it’s not digital anymore. It’s worth mentioning that in Brooklyn, where I used to live, all of the mailboxes were bolted shut and you couldn’t drop mail into them. But out here in Connecticut, which is an affluent area, all the mailboxes are open.
Travis Taylor:
Suspicious.
Beau Friedlander:
It is beyond suspicious. It’s underhanded.
Travis Taylor:
I think I can say this to someone who’s a techno file. Usually if there’s a way to go about something in as high tech a way as possible, I will end up doing that. Part of that worldview is knowing parts where I don’t think technology should be incorporated, and I think that’s the case with voting machines. I think that needs to be done the old-fashioned way. I think that should be done in a way that there’s absolutely zero potential for hacking or any kind of fudging results or anything like that even if that ends up taking longer. A lot of the things that we deal with are that they’re not secure, but they’re more convenient, and they’re a lot faster. I know that part of the drama for election nights, even if it isn’t a presidential election, is to be able to sit there and be able to know by that night roughly who the winner is or who the winners are.
Beau Friedlander:
But that’s Adam’s whole credo. Instant gratification isn’t fast enough. Cybersecurity is most often hampered by either a need for speed or convenience.
Adam Levin:
I completely agree that we should make it easier for people to vote because people should be exercising their right to vote. If that’s the case, then I happily accept the results of every election. But if you’re starting to restrict people’s right to vote and their ability to show up either at the polling place or to cast a ballot through a drop box or something, then that is pretty terrifying. That’s not what this is all about. Welcome to What the Hack, a show about hackers, scammers, and the people they go after. I’m Adam, cyber Pit Bull.
Beau Friedlander:
I’m Beau, cyber cadaver dog.
Travis Taylor:
And I’m Travis, cyber Schnauzer.
Adam Levin:
Today you hear from us as we look over scam stories from our own histories, some of which are powerful, some compelling, some lame.
Beau Friedlander:
Adam’s making faces at me, Travis.
Travis Taylor:
Keep it up.
Beau Friedlander:
No, you can sneer… I don’t know. What is that? What is that face?
Adam Levin:
That’s my Joe face.
Beau Friedlander:
It sounds like your angry sloth.
Adam Levin:
That’s my Joe face.
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, that’s your Joe… Oh, that is a Joe face. Hi, Joe, wherever you are. So-
Adam Levin:
Yes, dear.
Beau Friedlander:
Thank you. I’m here, Joe, and I wanted to ask you a simple question. I know if Joe were answering… Joe Bianco is an old friend of ours who was a storyteller like no other. He had great stories about getting scammed.
Adam Levin:
We are on this show because of Joe, because Beau, I wouldn’t know without Joe.
Beau Friedlander:
For sure. If he were still around, he would be on this show. He’d probably be a repeat guest. I know he has good stories, and I know I have some stories about being scammed. But I’m guessing, if I had to guess, Travis-
Travis Taylor:
Yeah.
Beau Friedlander:
… Adam has been scammed and he won’t tell us.
Travis Taylor:
That seems like a safe assumption. I think everyone’s been scammed [inaudible 00:09:18].
Beau Friedlander:
He’s going to say he’s never been scammed.
Travis Taylor:
Wow.
Beau Friedlander:
Like, he’s never said the… He never swore. He never swore, and he’s never gone through a red light, and he never speeds. You’re kind of perfect.
Adam Levin:
I’m kind of boring actually.
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, get off of it, Vladimir. We know you’re a hacker. What’s the closest to becoming…? You’ve run for office.
Adam Levin:
I have.
Beau Friedlander:
Now, you’re going to submit now to some interviewing. I’m going to interview you. Ready?
Adam Levin:
First of all, I want to tell everyone that I’m feeling good about today because today America is back. We’re back.
Beau Friedlander:
Why? Why?
Adam Levin:
We’re back because I’m feeling good, and we’re back-
Beau Friedlander:
That’s it?
Adam Levin:
… because-
Beau Friedlander:
That’s your whole thing. You’re just feeling good.
Adam Levin:
… gas prices are a little higher than they should… No, actually, we’re a mess.
Beau Friedlander:
Okay, fine. So we’re a mess. But here’s the thing. Everyone has gotten scammed somewhere or other. If you’re going to say that in this shame-free zone you’ve never been got, I just don’t… I’ll give you an example. When I was in my 20s, you may remember this, Adam, outside of Grand Central Station in New York City, 1990… well probably more like 1990, there were all these dudes outside of 42nd Street. When you came up that ramp, there was a taxi stop. They would accost you, grab your bag, and say they were going to help you into the taxi. They would put your bag in the taxi while you’re having a panic attack that they were stealing your bag-
Adam Levin:
Correct.
Beau Friedlander:
… and then say, “Where are you going?” I’d say… wherever you were going. They’d say, “That’s 20 bucks. I’m going to go pay the driver because you can’t trust the drivers around here.” They were very forceful in a way that you couldn’t really say no because you felt like if you did say no, you probably were going to get punched or stabbed, so you’d say yeah. I did that once, and I learned how to say no after that because the guy took my $20 and walked across the street. I later learned that the taxi drivers were in on it, and they got a cut of their take. What would happen is you’d go chasing the guy, and the taxi driver would go, “Don’t chase him. He’ll stab you.” So you’d just get in the cab. So you pay twice and then the cab driver. But it was a total setup with the drivers there and the dudes doing it.
Adam Levin:
That’s [inaudible 00:11:52]
Beau Friedlander:
And it sucked.
Adam Levin:
Travis and I were driving cabs so we know.
Beau Friedlander:
Well, I got scammed that way once. That’s just a simple example of a simple scam. You’re telling me, Adam, you’ve never had anybody get over on you ever.
Adam Levin:
Oh, all the time.
Beau Friedlander:
You certainly did shift your tone there.
Adam Levin:
Oh, you’re a cohost, so therefore you got one over on me right there.
Beau Friedlander:
But have you ever had any experience of a real…?
Adam Levin:
We used to have one guy. I lived in the Upper Side of New York for a period of time. We had a guy coming down Madison Avenue, and he would always say, “I need a few bucks. Please help me.” And I always would.
Beau Friedlander:
Did he have a sob story, or did he just say, “I need a few bucks”?
Adam Levin:
No, he was kind of a guy that looked like he was having a bad day. Of course, Heather, my wife, who wasn’t my wife at the time, we were dating, she would say, “There is no way we’re going to give you any money.” This is after me giving him money over a period of time. She said, “Dude, your sneakers are better than ours. Your silk jacket is better than ours. No, we’re not giving you any money.”
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, wow.
Adam Levin:
But still, he never stopped trying.
Beau Friedlander:
Did you stop then, or did you sneak it to him when she wasn’t around?
Adam Levin:
No, I stopped-
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, you did?
Adam Levin:
… because I said, “This is dumb.”
Beau Friedlander:
Well, there was a lady in the East Village when I lived there, and this was 1995, who was… I’ll tell you the thing I noticed afterward. She had really dirty clothes and ratty shoes, and she would be kind of crying and cringing and asking for money. She looked mentally ill. One day in the evening I was walking down East 9th Street, and I saw her not cringing, not stooped over in pain, walking sort of with a good jaunty step walking into her co-op. So she was one of those legendary New York City pan handlers who actually make more money than working stiffs.
Adam Levin:
Are you sure it was her co-op, or could she have been an employee working at the co-op?
Beau Friedlander:
Oh my God. It was like in The Usual Suspects when Keyser Söze has gotten over on everybody, and then he walks with a struggling kind of gate, and it gradually turns into a strut worthy of John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.
Adam Levin:
Well, there was a guy also one time who came up and he had his jacket swung across his back, like, “Hello. I’m running for Congress. I need your vote.” He looked a little sweaty. His tie was somewhat down. He would say, “Listen, man. I’m a chauffer. The car that I drove in broke down, and I need a few bucks to make a call. Would you really mind?” So of course, I feel bad for the guy. Sure. Why not? Two days later, same guy. “I’m a chauffeur. My car broke down. Would you mind?” I said, “Dude, if you’re going to be out here panhandling-
Beau Friedlander:
At least remember.
Adam Levin:
… at least remember the people that you suckered in.
Beau Friedlander:
Did you ever see the-
Adam Levin:
What a good look.
Beau Friedlander:
Did you ever see the old lady, she was Asian and it was part of the scam, at the bus station on 42nd Street? She was always there. She was probably 152. The reason it matters that she was Asian was she would claim that she didn’t speak any English. She would just show you that she had cancer on this piece of paper, it looked like a diagnosis, and then point to the hospital where she needed to go and then say, “Money, money, money.” I’m a natural born caretaker, so I was trying to take… I was, “Stop crying lady. I’ll help you. I’ll help you.” I gave her 20 bucks and I left. I felt maybe she was going to get to Mount Sinai, maybe not. Who knew. The very next day I saw her there. Then I made it my business to figure out if she was there every day, and she was there every day.
Adam Levin:
She was waiting for you to come back, darling.
Beau Friedlander:
No, I never came back.
Travis Taylor:
They’ve since all moved on to GoFundMe.
Beau Friedlander:
Travis, I feel like Adam has giving us the easy ones. Has anyone ever gotten over on you in cyberspace, or have you just been totally ironclad in your protections?
Adam Levin:
Well, I am so paranoid about cyberspace that I pretty much try to not get into trouble.
Beau Friedlander:
You’re a bit like a ping pong player. They come at you hard and fast, but you’re surprisingly agile.
Adam Levin:
My agility is you and Travis. I simply take a picture of it.
Beau Friedlander:
You do. You do do that. That’s how we discovered account padding, remember?
Travis Taylor:
Mm-hmm.
Adam Levin:
It’s like, in my considered opinion, this doesn’t look right, but, hey, I could be too paranoid. You both basically respond going, “Uh-huh, uh-huh, kill it.”
Travis Taylor:
I feel like I’m the food tester for both of you. I keep on getting forwarded these links, like, “Does this look poison?”
Beau Friedlander:
Is there plutonium in this?
Travis Taylor:
Yeah.
Adam Levin:
That’s why we lovingly refer to you as Cyber Mikey.
Travis Taylor:
There you go.
Beau Friedlander:
We do. Cyber Mikey. When you’re not around, we call you Cyber Mikey.
Adam Levin:
It’s like, Travis will tell us the truth because sometimes we do tend to go a little overboard. But now we realize that our paranoia is justified. Actually, after having participated in so many episodes of this show, everything that we hear, I think, reconfirms the fact that perhaps our paranoia isn’t even paranoid enough.
Beau Friedlander:
Not even close. Now, Travis, have you ever…? Tell the truth. I know you really are a smart guy. I know that from knowing you for years and years and years. Can you tell us your…? You must have been… somebody got over on you. At some point in your life, you’ve been scammed.
Travis Taylor:
Yeah. This is not necessarily a cyber scam, but it does involve technology. Yeah, like both of you, this took place in New York.
Beau Friedlander:
Wait, does this involve you pirating software?
Travis Taylor:
No, it does not actually.
Beau Friedlander:
You used to do that. You were incorrigible. If you mentioned the program-
Travis Taylor:
You paid me to do it.
Beau Friedlander:
I did not make you do it.
Travis Taylor:
You paid me to do it.
Beau Friedlander:
That’s true.
Adam Levin:
You were pirating software for Beau?
Beau Friedlander:
Yeah. I would say like, “Oh gosh, I really need Adobe,” whatever, hi, Adobe, Travis would just steal it. How’d you do it?
Travis Taylor:
Pirated.
Beau Friedlander:
He would go online and find a workable product code.
Adam Levin:
These conversations are in no way reflective of the opinion of this show or this organization.
Beau Friedlander:
[inaudible 00:19:28].
Adam Levin:
Obviously, someone has hacked on to our show and is masquerading as Beau and Travis.
Beau Friedlander:
No, I was a criminal.
Travis Taylor:
I’m a reformed pirate.
Beau Friedlander:
The statute of limitations has run out on it except for probably maybe coercing Travis to break the law. So it wasn’t your piracy. What was it, Mr. Tech Fiend?
Travis Taylor:
This was the early 2000s. I was in my early 20s in New York, and I was living with five other guys that I went to college with in Harlem, like way, way, way, way up in Harlem. It was not exactly luxurious accommodations.
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, this is when you lived up by City College.
Travis Taylor:
Yeah.
Beau Friedlander:
Got you.
Travis Taylor:
I really, really needed a laptop. Unfortunately, I did not really have a job yet up there and was just living off of a pretty smallish amount of savings, but I needed a laptop pretty badly. I was walking along with my friend, who was also a broke guy in his early twenties who was also trying to get a job in technology.
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, it’s Jake.
Travis Taylor:
Yeah, it was Jake.
Beau Friedlander:
Hi, Jake.
Adam Levin:
From State Farm?
Beau Friedlander:
Nah, it’s just Jake, the tech guy. Here’s my dogs. Shh. Guys, go to bed. Come on, Travis, can you please spit it out? What happened?
Travis Taylor:
So there was a guy standing around, this was near Union Square, and he was just like, “Hey, do you use PC or Mac?” I was just like, “Uh, Apple. Sure. What’s up?” He said, “Oh, I just happened to have a laptop here,” and he pulled out a Apple laptop box.
Beau Friedlander:
Wow.
Travis Taylor:
It was brand new, top of the line, all that. He was just like, “Yeah, you can have this for 500 bucks if you have cash. Do you have cash?”
Beau Friedlander:
Now, did you feel the box? Did it feel like…? Was it wrapped still?
Travis Taylor:
It was not wrapped, but the box itself was in very good shape.
Beau Friedlander:
Okay.
Travis Taylor:
This was just sort of the equivalent of dangling a cupcake in front of a starving person. I was just like, “Oh my God, I totally need a laptop.” So I’m going to ignore the ethics here or what have you. Tried going to an ATM. I was with Jake. I think it was supposed to be like 500 bucks. The ATM had a maximum amount that you could withdraw. I don’t think there was a limitation of the ATM quite so much as my account. So I’m withdrawing cash. I was just like, okay, and asked him, “Hey, can you spot me a hundred bucks?” Then that’s when Jake’s sense of greed kicked in. He was just like, “I also need a laptop.” So he’s frantically taking cash out of an ATM. We’re both just trying to see if we can argue this guy down or haggle to see which of us will get the laptop.
Travis Taylor:
Somewhere along the lines, I started to realize this is completely suspicious. I’m about to hand some dude standing out on the street a wad of cash or cash that I can’t really afford for what, even if it is real, which I’m starting to get suspicious of, is most likely a stolen laptop. So I had that initial little burst of greed in desperation, which I know goes along with a lot of scams. Then I was like, “All right, can I see the laptop?” The guy was like, “Yeah, no problem.” He opened it up, and it was something shiny but a little too shiny. It looked like it may have been a roll of aluminum foil wrapped up in a huge amount of bubble wrap. I was like, “Okay, can you take it out of the bubble wrap?” He said, “I can’t do that unless you pay for it.” I’m like, “Well, I can’t pay for it unless you do that.”
Travis Taylor:
Without missing a beat, the guy just wrapped the box back up and then said to someone else walking by, “Hey, you a PC or a Mac guy?” And that was it. But, yeah, I had gone far enough as to take cash out of the bank, was getting into an argument with my best friend slash roommate about which of us would get this laptop. Both of us were frantically trying to get cash out of our respective accounts for it before I came to my senses.
Beau Friedlander:
I bought a set of AirPod Pros for Ella that way in Union Square from a guy who appeared to be a junkie. I thought, “Well, that’s exactly who would have a bunch of stolen AirPod Pros.” I bought it for a hundred bucks, which was quite a bit less than they retail for. Everything checked out, everything. It looked exactly like an AirPod. It was. The only difference was on the inside there’s a little serial number, I think, and it was not in the right place. They were counterfeit. So the only problem was, they did work, but they were probably $15 earbuds. Imagine how I felt. I was like, “Here, Ella. Here are some AirPods.” She put them in and she was like, “I think they’re fake, Dad.” I was like, “No, just use them. They’re not fake. I got them from a junkie because I’m a good dad.” They were fake. I ended up having [inaudible 00:24:27].
Adam Levin:
Actually, because she looked closely at them said, “Dad, these aren’t serial numbers. These are cereal box numbers.”
Beau Friedlander:
No, but yeah. It was a pretty good scam, but I am scamable. I actually am susceptible to it.
Adam Levin:
A perfect example, again, of another kind of scam, and I think you’ve all experienced this, is you take your kid to the arcade. Your kid’s playing all the games, winning all the tickets. They have a goal in mind, and the goal is what’s ever in that showcase, and the showcase could look like something really cool. You run up about 10,000, 12,000 tickets. You go and you get it, and you find out that it’s the earliest possible version of whatever that was. You realize you paid $300 for something that [inaudible 00:25:25] just bought.
Beau Friedlander:
For a 10-year-old thing.
Adam Levin:
All right, guys. Listen, to wrap this up, let’s do a Rob rounded.
Beau Friedlander:
What?
Adam Levin:
Just kidding. Okay, guys. Listen, to wrap this up, time for our traditional round robin. You don’t have to sing. I’ll save that for the end. But what you do need to do is give me your thoughts on what’s the one thing that consumers can do to avoid falling into the traps that we have.
Beau Friedlander:
I’m not going first. I’m not going-
Travis Taylor:
All right, I’ll go first.
Adam Levin:
All right, Travis, you go first.
Travis Taylor:
I’d say one of the biggest ones is just to be aware that you are fallible unless you’re Beau. I feel like a lot of people get a false sense of security because when they’re hearing about scams, when they’re hearing about people getting hacked on this podcast or just out in the world, that assumption is, “That would never happen to me.” If anyone who thinks that it’ll never happen to them or that they’re too savvy or street smart to ever get scammed one way or the other is going to let their guard down, and they’re going to let their guard down a lot more often than someone who is acutely aware that they can be gullible or panicking or too lazy to update a password or what have you. I think knowing that fallibility on your end is something that will actually help keep you secure in the long run.
Beau Friedlander:
Travis?
Travis Taylor:
Yes.
Beau Friedlander:
I’ve always thought you were cutely aware.
Travis Taylor:
Yeah, I’m very cute.
Adam Levin:
And aware.
Beau Friedlander:
And aware, yeah. What do I have to say about this? I have to say you both are irretrievably mean-spirited dunkers of me, and I’m sad about it. But-
Adam Levin:
Actually, Travis and I worry when you start to say, “What do I have to say about this? This is what I have to say.” This is like when I was in French class writing an essay, I needed to figure out the maximum number of words that I could use so I could really wow the [inaudible 00:27:39].
Beau Friedlander:
Okay, you got my number. As Anjelica Huston said, “You got my number, hussy.” I think it was her. Anyway, if I had to say one thing to our listeners and I could only say one thing, I would say go slow. Whatever you’re doing, go slow.
Adam Levin:
Beau, that’s like, “Dark was the night. The night was dark.” How did I know? Because I couldn’t see [inaudible 00:28:07].
Beau Friedlander:
You told me to use a lot of words, so I used a lot of words. What’s yours, Adam?
Adam Levin:
Mine is just that the ultimate guardian of the consumer has always been, is, and will always be the consumer.
Beau Friedlander:
That was a lot of words.
Adam Levin:
Business isn’t going to protect us as they should. They try some of them; many of them don’t. Government has failed at protecting us, unfortunately. It comes down to us, and a lot of us haven’t done what we need to do in order to better protect ourselves. But at the end of the day, when you look in the mirror and think you’re looking at you and the truth is that a hacker is looking in the mirror and looking at Jay-Z and Beyoncé and Adam Levine, because we all got what they want, we have to understand that we are very valuable in this world.
Beau Friedlander:
There’s enough of us like a botnet, like 20 bucks per person, it’s actually pretty, pretty, pretty lucrative.
Travis Taylor:
You can get you a pretty decent co-op in the village.
Beau Friedlander:
Yeah, a really nice co-op.
Adam Levin:
We all have day jobs. For these guys, we are their day job because there’s a pot of gold at the end of the tunnel. The more people that fall for something, even if it’s something little, the bigger the pot of gold.
Beau Friedlander:
If you’re making 20 bucks from three or four people an hour, you’re doing pretty okay.
Adam Levin:
Which is why Beau’s doing pretty okay. He’s out there every day mining those fields, he and Kenneth, the bear.
Beau Friedlander:
Got to pay for that tractor somehow.
Travis Taylor:
It’s funny. The year when you said that was happening to you was the year I had a summer job paying $4.25 an hour. So thinking about it, if you’re getting 20 bucks even once every hour, so you’d still have been making five times when I was making.
Beau Friedlander:
Oh, that’s my point. It’s the scams that hit you for 20 or 30 or 10 bucks. Those are the ones that… wealth by a thousand cuts. They add up.
Adam Levin:
That is a perfect way to end this show: wealth by a thousand cuts.
Beau Friedlander:
Then you can cut to “Money, money, money. Money.”
Adam Levin:
You, too, can make our lives meaningful and feeling wealthier. Go to your favorite platform and think of the number five, not four, not 4.99, but five, five stars. We’d really appreciate it, and it would help other people find us, which means you won’t be alone.
Beau Friedlander:
We are a really good show to talk about at a cocktail party. It’s true. Does anyone go to cocktail parties anymore?
Adam Levin:
I do.
Beau Friedlander:
Travis?
Travis Taylor:
I certainly haven’t.
Beau Friedlander:
You certainly haven’t.
Travis Taylor:
I think here in Portland, they’re done sort of ironically in a hipster way. They put the cocktail in quotation marks.
Beau Friedlander:
I haven’t had a drink in 14 years, so I don’t. But anyway. Ta-da!
Adam Levin:
Hey folks, thanks for joining us on this episode. If you have a story like any of ours, hopefully a story way more compelling than ours, maybe you’ve been scammed, maybe you’ve been hacked, send us a message by going on adamlevin.com and seeing the big banner that’s waving there saying, “Contact us, please.”
Travis Taylor:
It’ll be refreshing to get an email from that that’s not in Russian.
Beau Friedlander:
Yeah. Da, spasiba.
Travis Taylor:
[inaudible 00:31:55].
Beau Friedlander:
What the Hack with Adam Levin is a production of Loud Tree Media.
Adam Levin:
It’s produced by Andrew Steven, the man with two first names.
Travis Taylor:
You can find us online at loudtreemedia.com and on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at AdamKLevin.
Adam Levin:
Loud Tree.
